Who wants to bet that Cillian Murphy’s gonna be getting a phone call at some point in the near future, checking for availability…
BobMcBob
availability for what?
Brian Kinsley
To return in Batman 3.
Jeff
Well this sucks. I think Nolan understands the comics, and understands art, but maybe doesn’t appreciate the comics in the way that a real fan does. A real fan, like myself (I have no false modesty) or Kris, understands the importance of Two-Face (the persona Two-Face, not Harvey Dent) really deserves more than what he got in The Dark Knight.
Sean Knight
I will agree that I’m upset with Two Faces demise in the film considering what a great character he is and what other things could have been done. But in reality his arch is complete in The Dark Knight. It’s a complete picture and Harvey Dent is actually one of the more well-rounded characters in the entire film. It’s essentially his story and Nolan tells it well. Nolan is not interested in sequels. He said what he had to say with the Dark Knight. If he makes another one I’m sure that Harvey Dent will be in the script and I bet the character will even be central to events because of what he stood for, but he’s dead. We should all just let it go.
Thugnificent
As much as I wish he didn’t kill Two-face, looking at the whole picture, it was a necessary move. If he was alive Batman’s sacrifice wouldn’t have been as effective. And Gordan final brilliant speech would’ve not been heard :(
Sad that Ledger died tho. Among other things I would of love to see what Nolan had in mind for the Joker in part 3.
They were obviously planning to continue with the Joker and not Two-Face, but it is a bit sad to hear it. On the other hand, it also kinda logical and I agree with Sean that it indeed is the character the comes full circle in the film.
crazycris
The story of Harvey Dent / Two-Face comes full circle in The Dark Knight… why be upset when for once a story isn’t dragged unnecessarily along just to bring in the crowds?
Besides… this makes room for a new surprise in the 3rd movie! I have complete trust in Nolan’s vision!
tony rock
there really isnt much else they could have done with him. he got his revenge for the most part, and his character came full circle. dont bitch just because it didnt follow the comics EXACTLY. its obvious they intended to bring Joker back, which makes more sense. And for sure, there was no way they were gonna bring back BOTH villians. It was either one or the other. They chose Joker. Unfortunately Heath died and now we’ll be getting one or two all-new villians unless they for some reason recast the clown.
Well I think a new Joker would work. If he’s really going to Arkham he might be of influence to some of the other inmates, and even taking one under his wing. That could be a logical follow-up while also adressing the differences between the copycat and the original. Any thoughts on that?
tony: The point is the way they killed him (basically off-screen) was impotent and stupid. I would have been fine with Twp-Face dying in this film. Just FINE. But the way it happened, pathetic.
Martin Edwards
While it is clear while looking at the film that the story was supposed to continue with the Joker, I can’t even conceive of recasting. From an artist’s perspective you should never be afraid of the challenge of following up a dynamic and memorable performance, but come on, we all know this is no ordinary performance. Do you really think that ANYBODY can, or would even want to try to, come close to accomplishing what Ledger did with the part? It’d be potential career suicide for whoever signs up for it, and I can’t really think of anybody brave enough to take it on. Sad as it seems, to me it just seems unrealistic and nearly ludicrous to try and continue with the Joker.
As for Two-Face, originally I wholeheartedly agreed with Kris on how premature and lame his death was. But having seen it now multiple times, I’ve come to accept it as it fits perfectly with what Nolan’s trying to say with this one film. Of course from a comic book fans perspective you’d love to see more from such a classic villain, but I really can’t argue when a deviation from the source material turns out to help/improve the movie.
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13 responses to “Two-Face is dead afterall…”
I’m gonna lose it
Who wants to bet that Cillian Murphy’s gonna be getting a phone call at some point in the near future, checking for availability…
availability for what?
To return in Batman 3.
Well this sucks. I think Nolan understands the comics, and understands art, but maybe doesn’t appreciate the comics in the way that a real fan does. A real fan, like myself (I have no false modesty) or Kris, understands the importance of Two-Face (the persona Two-Face, not Harvey Dent) really deserves more than what he got in The Dark Knight.
I will agree that I’m upset with Two Faces demise in the film considering what a great character he is and what other things could have been done. But in reality his arch is complete in The Dark Knight. It’s a complete picture and Harvey Dent is actually one of the more well-rounded characters in the entire film. It’s essentially his story and Nolan tells it well. Nolan is not interested in sequels. He said what he had to say with the Dark Knight. If he makes another one I’m sure that Harvey Dent will be in the script and I bet the character will even be central to events because of what he stood for, but he’s dead. We should all just let it go.
As much as I wish he didn’t kill Two-face, looking at the whole picture, it was a necessary move. If he was alive Batman’s sacrifice wouldn’t have been as effective. And Gordan final brilliant speech would’ve not been heard :(
Sad that Ledger died tho. Among other things I would of love to see what Nolan had in mind for the Joker in part 3.
They were obviously planning to continue with the Joker and not Two-Face, but it is a bit sad to hear it. On the other hand, it also kinda logical and I agree with Sean that it indeed is the character the comes full circle in the film.
The story of Harvey Dent / Two-Face comes full circle in The Dark Knight… why be upset when for once a story isn’t dragged unnecessarily along just to bring in the crowds?
Besides… this makes room for a new surprise in the 3rd movie! I have complete trust in Nolan’s vision!
there really isnt much else they could have done with him. he got his revenge for the most part, and his character came full circle. dont bitch just because it didnt follow the comics EXACTLY. its obvious they intended to bring Joker back, which makes more sense. And for sure, there was no way they were gonna bring back BOTH villians. It was either one or the other. They chose Joker. Unfortunately Heath died and now we’ll be getting one or two all-new villians unless they for some reason recast the clown.
Well I think a new Joker would work. If he’s really going to Arkham he might be of influence to some of the other inmates, and even taking one under his wing. That could be a logical follow-up while also adressing the differences between the copycat and the original. Any thoughts on that?
tony: The point is the way they killed him (basically off-screen) was impotent and stupid. I would have been fine with Twp-Face dying in this film. Just FINE. But the way it happened, pathetic.
While it is clear while looking at the film that the story was supposed to continue with the Joker, I can’t even conceive of recasting. From an artist’s perspective you should never be afraid of the challenge of following up a dynamic and memorable performance, but come on, we all know this is no ordinary performance. Do you really think that ANYBODY can, or would even want to try to, come close to accomplishing what Ledger did with the part? It’d be potential career suicide for whoever signs up for it, and I can’t really think of anybody brave enough to take it on. Sad as it seems, to me it just seems unrealistic and nearly ludicrous to try and continue with the Joker.
As for Two-Face, originally I wholeheartedly agreed with Kris on how premature and lame his death was. But having seen it now multiple times, I’ve come to accept it as it fits perfectly with what Nolan’s trying to say with this one film. Of course from a comic book fans perspective you’d love to see more from such a classic villain, but I really can’t argue when a deviation from the source material turns out to help/improve the movie.