For your consideration: ‘The Dark Knight’

Posted by · 7:43 pm · November 22nd, 2008

For Your Consideration: Heath Ledger in The Dark Knight

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  • 1 11-22-2008 at 7:54 pm

    Kokushi said...

    Right there, best movie of 2008 so far.

  • 2 11-22-2008 at 9:10 pm

    Scott Ward said...

    Just saw it again and I’m slightly changing my stance in that now I think it should almost definitely get a Best Pic nomination. I’m sure that there will be at least one movie better (Benjamin Button), but I find it nearly impossible to believe that there could be five movies better this year.

  • 3 11-22-2008 at 9:56 pm

    Mr. Gittes said...

    Kris will replace Frost/Nixon with The Dark Knight by this Monday.

  • 4 11-22-2008 at 9:59 pm

    Speaking English said...

    Well there are already 3 better movies, so I find it very hard to believe there WON’T be 5 better movies.

  • 5 11-22-2008 at 11:27 pm

    Scott Ward said...

    What are the three Speaking English because I would like to see them. (Not in an aggressive tone)

    As said, I’m sure ‘Button’ will rank above TDK, as will likely two or three other movies (say Milk, Frost/Nixon, and/or Revolutionary Road), but I think finding a fifth one would be tough (it could be ‘Slumdog’ or ‘Doubt’ though).

    Let it be known that I am not one of these people who are screaming that it will be a travesty if TDK doesn’t get nominated for Picture, I’m, just saying that after seeing it for a third time and having my memory refreshed, I think you will be hard pressed to find five better films.

    Especially now that Australia is getting rather mild reviews, I think it’s hard to argue that the percentages aren’t in TDK’s favor in that from my perspective you have six other contenders for Picture and it’s likely that two of them won’t measure up to TDK’s standards.

    Then again I haven’t seen ‘Slumdog’ yet because it hasn’t come to my town, and if it’s really great then my tune could change.

  • 6 11-23-2008 at 1:24 am

    Alex said...

    When i saw tdk i immediately pictured a fyc poster with the joker in the nurse outfit walking creepily out of the hospital. i think that would convey the incredibly unsettling and dichotomous nature of his performance

  • 7 11-23-2008 at 3:51 am

    Guy Lodge said...

    “Slumdog” is in, Scott, regardless of which other films make it.

  • 8 11-23-2008 at 7:36 am

    JAB said...

    they’re showing this at my school tonight…can’t wait to see it for the 5th time!

  • 9 11-23-2008 at 7:47 am

    Jonathan Spuij said...

    I saw it eight times and not ever was it’s power slightly diminished by repeat viewings.

  • 10 11-23-2008 at 10:58 am

    Speaking English said...

    Scott, the three films are “WALL-E,” “Slumdog Millionaire,” and “Burn After Reading.” Although now that I think about it, I’d probably place “Rachel Getting Married” above it as well. So make that FOUR films. And I still have to see “Milk,” “Revolutionary Road,” “Australia,” “The Curious Case of Benjamin Button,” “Doubt,” “The Reader,” and “The Wrestler.”

    Not lookin’ so good Batman!

  • 11 11-23-2008 at 4:26 pm

    Scott Ward said...

    Speaking English, as Guy informed me that ‘Slumdog’ will almost surely make the cut, the other three films you mentioned will even more surely not get nominated. When I spoke about finding five films that are better, I was speaking in consensus terminology, not someone’s personal opinion of movies better than TDK. You simply gave your sole opinion on the four movies better than TDK, which I can respectfully tell you the Academy is not at all going to reflect. It’s perfectly fine that you think that Wall-E, Burn After Reading, and Rachael Getting Married are better films, but even in my non-expert opinion I can guarantee you that Wall-E won’t get nominated (the Academy will see it only as a cute little, temporarily entertaining film), and neither will Burn After Reading. At this point it is also highly, highly unlikely that Rachael Getting Married will get a Best Picture nomination.

    I will never say that anyone should agree with the nominations, nor will I say that they are wrong in their opinions of which movies are better than others, but you have to try and think in general terms, meaning what will the Academy think.

    If you were to gauge the quality of this years films and put them only in the universe of discourse of the Academy, then barring a strong push from another movie, there are essentially only about eight films to be considered for Best Pic. Of those eight, I think most will agree that there are only three ahead of TDK. If you say that there are four ahead of TDK (which at this point I don’t see how you can argue that the Academy in general would have more films placed above TDK), that could be pushing it at this point, but even then I would say that there are only two other films it would contend with. And after seeing again how truly magnificent the film was, I think it certainly has a very legitimate shot.

  • 12 11-23-2008 at 5:25 pm

    Oi Vey said...

    I agree with Scott.

    It’s not to disagree what Speaking English likes or don’t like, but rather, I can’t see a movie like “Burn After Reading” getting a Best Pic nom. “Wall-E” is already a given that’s animated. I guess you can’t kinda have to think what the Academy will or won’t like, when it comes to the Noms. I’m not a psychic by all means, so I could be wrong. We all could be wrong.

    Three months ago, I would’ve said that The Dark Knight has NO CHANCE in winning a shot at the Oscars, besides Heath Ledger’s performance. But I’m slowly changing my mind because, frankly, this is a ‘weaker’ year than last year. Honestly, 2007 was the Golden Year for the small artfilm/drama, but 2008 lacks that indie charm.

    I really think that Dark Knight is a film that touched the world in so many ways (not to sound cheesy). It features Heath’s last complete role, which is on the verge of being iconic. It was a cynical movie that reflects our current times. It’s very 1970s grit, that would’ve made a young Scorsese or Ford Coppella proud. Let’s put in a young Kubrick for good measure!

  • 13 11-23-2008 at 6:26 pm

    Matt said...

    I think the better “The Curious Case” does, the more it hurts “The Dark Night.” I just can’t see two fantasy noms up for best picture, and ” The Curious Case” could sweep the techs, leaving “The Dark Night” with only a best supporting win and maybe cinematography or sound.

  • 14 11-23-2008 at 7:47 pm

    Scott Ward said...

    Matt, I definitely understand where you’re coming from in saying that The Dark Knight is a fantasy film. I’m definitely not saying that you didn’t understand the film, and I’m sure this sounds cheesy and cliche, but I think the film is best seen when you can look beyond the masks and costumes and see the motivations and moral and ethical dilemmas that literally all of the main characters face.

    The film works so well in that the sheer aesthetic beauty of it attracts and maintains your attention during the movie, while the morality questions it provokes hold your thoughts and keep you thinking long after the credits roll, which is the mark of all great films.

    Seeing it again has made me bring comparisons of it to another movie I really liked: Crash. While Crash certainly didn’t try to tell us that injustice really exists, I thought it did a fine job in telling an interesting story showing the consequences of our unnecessary negative stereotypes. In a similar fashion, I thought TDK did an equally, possibly even superior job in making us question our definiton of what is truly good and just in society, and also showing the lose-lose predicament that being truly just or good places you in.

    Again, TDK is purely a hyperbole in that nothing this extravagant could ever happen, but just because it is I don’t think that it should be looked at differently from say your average social drama that deals with moral issues.

    I would personally classify TDK as a drama because often times the term “fantasy” carries negative connotations for me in that these movies usually merely intend to entrap you with their stylistic look and beauty only, therefore sacrificing any social issues or character depth that could have been useful to the story.

    You or anyone else is not wrong in calling it a fantasy film, I just think that if the Academy sees it as that it won’t get nominated for Picture, yet if they look past that and see it as a drama, it’s likely it will get the nomination.

  • 15 11-23-2008 at 7:59 pm

    Guy Lodge said...

    “It’s very 1970s grit, that would’ve made a young Scorsese or Ford Coppella (sic) proud. Let’s put in a young Kubrick for good measure!”

    No, let’s not.

    Good lord. Yes, it’s a fine film. But let’s not get over-excited here.

  • 16 11-23-2008 at 8:27 pm

    Speaking English said...

    Haha, agree with Guy 100%. Scorsese and Coppola make films 1,000 times the film “The Dark Knight” is.

  • 17 11-23-2008 at 8:49 pm

    Kyle said...

    As much as it pains me to say, Coppola hasn’t made a good film in 20 years.

  • 18 11-24-2008 at 7:53 am

    AJ said...

    Would the performance be getting this much buzz if he didn’t die? I say yes, but what does everyone else thing?

  • 19 11-24-2008 at 12:57 pm

    JAB said...

    I feel like in a relatively weak, indecisive year for supporting actor that yes, it would have that much buzz if he hadn’t have died.

  • 20 11-24-2008 at 1:01 pm

    Guy Lodge said...

    Well, given that there were excited whispers about the performance before Ledger passed away, I’d say yes.

  • 21 11-24-2008 at 2:53 pm

    Oi Vey said...

    Maybe I got too over-excited (LOL), but it seems like Speaking English is kinda putting words into Guy Lodge’s mouth.