“You wanted to go through the looking glass. How was it? Was it more fun than miniature golf?”

Posted by · 6:40 am · September 26th, 2008




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  • 1 9-26-2008 at 6:45 am

    Proman said...

    I have always thought that “Heist” was vastly superiour than “Spartan”. I can understand the movie’s popularity but I found it to be too linear and somewhat… er… how should I say this… poorly researched?

    “Heist”, on the other hand, is tense and entertaining, the “money” line beats the one above, and could very well be my favorite Mamet con movie.

  • 2 9-26-2008 at 8:31 am

    nick said...

    Mamet is the shit. Spartan is, I think, his best and most entertaining movie ever. House of Games is also excellent, and I did also love Heist, but there is something so engrossing about Spartan. I love the dialogue in that film. So many quotable lines.

  • 3 9-26-2008 at 10:52 am

    FrogClog said...

    YES. Spartan is fantastic fantastic fantastic. A true film noir throwback and just giddy giddy giddy dialogue. “I see you’ve got your TV on.”

  • 4 9-26-2008 at 12:54 pm

    BurmaShave said...

    Then you are truly blessed. Easily in my top ten for the decade.

  • 5 9-26-2008 at 12:55 pm

    nick said...

    Grace: Nice knife.
    Scott: Yeah. Got it off an East German fella.
    Grace: He give it to ya for a gift?
    Scott: No. As I recall, he was… rather reluctant to part with it.

    I am gonna watch this flick again tonight. It’s so awesome.

  • 6 9-26-2008 at 12:59 pm

    Jamieson said...

    Love me some Mamet.

  • 7 9-26-2008 at 8:44 pm

    Proman said...

    See what I mean? People orgasmic over Spartan while a truly great film like Edmond isn’t even seen.

  • 8 9-26-2008 at 11:14 pm

    Kristopher Tapley said...

    What the fuck does Edmond have to to do with the price of tea in China, Proman? Great film, but not the one quoted here so remove thy stick from thy ass.

    “If it’s Happy Birthday, let’s do it now.”

    And yet I agree with you. The “money” line from “Heist” is brilliant, but line-for-line, I think “Spartan” has Mamet’s best material since “Glengarry Glen Ross.”

  • 9 9-26-2008 at 11:15 pm

    Kristopher Tapley said...

    Also: Poorly researched? Can you even qualify this? Had much experience with high-profile kidnappings and the ins-and-outs of Marine discourse?

    Too linear? Does a good film necessitate a broken narrative? What kind of criticism is that?

  • 10 9-29-2008 at 8:53 am

    Proman said...

    Finally saw this.

    Now I don’t know why you would want to post something why you are going through PMS.

    It’s a quote. By Mamet. It got me thinking about his movies and inspired me to start talking about other films written by Mamet, douchebag. I know, shocking. Sorry I got offtopic there, buddy.

    So CHILL THE FUCK OUT.

    So here’s why I got thinking about Edmond (apart from the fact that it’s criminally underseen).

    Edmond is many times the movie Spartan is. And they share some similarities. Both kind of meanspirited. Both feature a pissed of character. Both deal with racial issues. More importantly, they are both written by a recognizibly pissed off dude.

    Here’s my theory on this. In case you don’t know, a few months Mamet announced his conversion to conservatism (I’m still pissed about this). Knowing Mamet, I certainly doubt that he was sitting on this for too long but I do think that the seeds of this kind of thinking started years ago.

    Too put it bluntly (and I know I’m inviting all kin ds of ridicule – I know what you all going to say), Spartan seems to be born out of Mamet’s dislike of Arabs. That’s what’s the movie is ABOUT. Just like Homicide was primarily ABOUT something. At this is what makes it seem limited to me and why I think it is limited.

    Mamet was clearly pissed off and it translated to the screen. Subtle (and not so-subtle hints are everywhere). And I mean just think about the reason for kidnapping as explained (just think about it – it’s pretty offensive stuff!)

    Now I’m not saying that this is because of his new found conservatism (here’s hoping it’s just a mid age crisis kind of thing) but I really don’t want to go to deeply into this. I will say this though, those people who occused TDK of pro Bush got nothing on Spartan.

    Take this from someone who followed Mamet for many years and listened to a lot of his interviews). I am a fairly passionate fan and I’m trying to be objective.

    So to summarize, Edmond was also written by someone who wanted to piss people off. But at least it was done in such a way that even the supid people could see it. And, most importanly, it is redeemed because it rang through emotionally. You could believe those characters.

    For someone who lived among Muslims for years it rings shallow. Not just because of the particular ins and outs of a plot but because I feel that certain scenes just… arggh.

    And it’s a good film (well acted and in a sense that it was written by a smart guy; also the typical Mamet machismo which got a little too stretched here was nonetheless forcefull). I would have noticed it no matter what. But. It’s. His. Weakest.

    “Can you even qualify this? Had much experience with high-profile kidnappings and the ins-and-outs of Marine discourse?”

    Now you really sound like a fucking idiot.

    “Too linear? Does a good film necessitate a broken narrative? What kind of criticism is that?”

    It’s a good kind of criticism. Linearity does not require an unbroken narative. In case you don’t know, one of the meanings of the the word is one dimensional. I personally found to be so. Unlike some of his earlier works, Spartan seemed to be about very little and Deus Ex Machina at the very end seemed pretty implausible (especially after the Spanish Prisoner).

    Sure, Spartan is very quotable, but it was Mamet who said “a good film script should be able to do completely without dialogue.”

  • 11 9-29-2008 at 8:57 am

    Proman said...

    Oh and one thing I forgot include:

    This is basically Mamet’s version of the “Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat”. You will either get what I meant here or you can just forget what I wrote above.

  • 12 9-30-2008 at 9:35 pm

    Proman said...

    By the anyone here ever seen Mamet’s Huffington blog? I wonder if he’ll update it in time for election.

  • 13 9-30-2008 at 11:48 pm

    Kristopher Tapley said...

    “Now I don’t know why you would want to post something why you are going through PMS.”

    I’m fine, dude. Just asking for you to clarify outrageous statements.

    And did you really just call me a douchebag? How old are you?

    Here’s hoping you can engage without name-calling one of these days.

    Weird around here lately…

  • 14 10-01-2008 at 1:51 pm

    Proman said...

    “And did you really just call me a douchebag? How old are you?”

    Yes, I did. I was angry and took what I considered to be an unprovoked outburst to be a personal insult (though the subject matter i.e. Mamet probably called for something stronger ;) ).

    I’m twenty four. Anything else you would like to know :D ?

  • 15 10-10-2008 at 11:08 pm

    Mr. 9 said...

    Heh…

    Douchebag…

    What a great word.