Fans anxious for the ‘Dark’ — What about Dr. Jones?

Posted by · 12:43 am · May 12th, 2008

When I posted last week’s poll regarding most anticipated summer films, I had an inkling Christopher Nolan’s “The Dark Knight” would be a heavy favorite. I didn’t, however, expect it to claim nearly 75% of the readership’s votes. Impressive, indeed. (And you all know which direction I leaned on that one.) “Indy 4” and “Wall-E” were the only other competitors with numbers worth mentioning.

With that assessment out of the way, and with “Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull” set to be the net big thing — both at Cannes and with a May 21 release approaching — I wonder what the general opinion is of this film’s actual existence. It’s been nearly two decades since Indy swung into theaters (ironically, along with a “Batman” installment and a Bond film still to come, like this year). I’ve had my reservations since the beginning, but at times, they are overridden by the strong desire fo rthis flick to kick major ass.

So what say you? Is it a disaster waiting to happen or, perhaps, the redemption of George Lucas and his recent desire to tinker with cinematic antiquity? Tell is this week’s poll!




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  • 1 5-12-2008 at 9:40 am

    crazycris said...

    The poll should probably have waited ’till after we’ve had a chance to see the movie so we could judge it!

    Basically it’s a YES if the movie is as great and fun and exciting as we hope it will be… but it would be a resounding NO if they’ve screwed it up (i.e. if Lucas had too much control on the script…)

  • 2 5-12-2008 at 11:37 am

    mike said...

    I don’t think it will be amazing, but am looking for a good time in the theaters with some old friends on screen.

    And the trailer for the Clone Wars looked good (better than Esp 1, 2 & 3) so maybe George can redeem himself with this installments of Star Wars.

  • 3 5-12-2008 at 11:48 am

    Jonathan Spuij said...

    I think this will be just a fun film and a big throwback to the adventure movies Spielberg and Lucas reinvented. No masterpiece, nothing pretentious. Just plain fun, sans pixelorgy btw.
    The Dark Knight is the exact opposite.

  • 4 5-12-2008 at 3:47 pm

    Proman said...

    Considering that “Batman Begins” was a terrible movie and Indiana Jones 4 is the final installment in one of the finest series of films of all time, directed by the world’s most capable director it is simply no competition.

    And I expect “Indy 4” to be nothing short of spectacular. Why should it not be.

    P.S. Lucas doesn’t need redemption. Any one of the Star Wars prequels is still much better than most other summer blockbusters. That includes “Batman Begins”.

  • 5 5-12-2008 at 7:51 pm

    Kristopher Tapley said...

    chris: That’s one philosophy, but the point is basically are people dreading this flick or are they greatly anticipating it. For me, even being a huge fan of the original films (and in fact considering them the most solid trilogy in film), I have to say I’m dreading it.

  • 6 5-12-2008 at 7:56 pm

    Kristopher Tapley said...

    Proman: Not sure why you brought Batman into this. It’s not a Batman vs. Indy poll, I was simply, you know, reflecting the fact that one of the two films is far and away more anticipated than the other (at least among this site’s readership).

    But…….if you think those shitty prequels are great films, I won’t even bother arguing you on the point of “Batman Begins” being a stunning accomplishment. To each his own.

  • 7 5-12-2008 at 9:44 pm

    Proman said...

    Kris, I see you arleady read my views on “Batman Begins” so you know where I stand on that .

    Still you have some nerve pretending to be suprised by my bringing up “Batman Begins”.
    You have been at the it’s Indy vs. Batman thing for months now (and yes, this goes beyond this topic).

    What got me the most though is the fact that you, completely preemptively, came out and said that the Indy 4 will be shit (in so many words). That’s not not mere hype control or even negativity. It’s not about having lowered expectation because of Harrion’s age. That’s hatred. This kind of absolutism always is (and the fact that it didn’t make much sense made it even more obvious).

    That didn’t bother me that much when I read it though and I now understand that you don’t like Lucas. Suddenly everything makes sense.

    It’s funny, that even Jeff Wells, who’s not known for restraint or subtlety (or Spielberloving) had the sense to wait and see the final product for himself.

    In any case, this topic is all about anticipation, right? Isn’t the main reason you are soo pumped for TDK is the fact that you loved the original.
    Well, it may not exactly work this way but the two things are correlated (at the very least, the converse was true).

    By the way, if you want real (that is unbiased measurements of fans anticipation I suggest you check with Fandango movie trackings). To make the long story short, Indy 4 may make more money domestically than Dark Knight will make worldwide. Just as a reminder too BB made “only” $371,853,783 worldwide (and yes, I do think TDK will do better but now by much) . But you already know all of this, of course, I and I know that you do, so please don’t try to be cheeky.

    I hate bringing up this kind of information since I feel it makes for a weak argument over a movie’s quality. However, in this particular topic, I feel that this reminder was completely appropriate.

    So too sum it up for you, I know that you know Indy 4 is more anticipated. You are also clearly trying to make it look bad (…to make your TDK look good by comparison). I just can’t understand why.

    TDK already looks good (yes, I said it), it doesn’t need this extra help.

    P.S. I have never said that Star Wars Prequels were “great films”. I just said that, IMO each was easily superior to Batman Begins. If you must push me, yeah “Revenge of the Sith” does have moments of true greatness (though it’s rewatchability factor is low). To each his own.

  • 8 5-13-2008 at 1:58 am

    Kristopher Tapley said...

    “You have been at the it’s Indy vs. Batman thing for months now (and yes, this goes beyond this topic).”

    Not at all, really.

    “What got me the most though is the fact that you, completely preemptively, came out and said that the Indy 4 will be shit (in so many words).”

    Not at all, really, Though I have been vocal about my apprehensions concerning this project. Nothing wrong with that.

    “It’s funny, that even Jeff Wells, who’s not known for restraint or subtlety (or Spielberloving) had the sense to wait and see the final product for himself.”

    I too will wait until the final product to judge for myself. But I thought — as I stated in another post — that it might be interesting to gauge readers’ excitement versus their potential dread. Given that, as of now, 39% of those who have voted answered “No” to the question in the poll, I see I’m not totally out to pasture here.

    “But you already know all of this, of course, I and I know that you do, so please don’t try to be cheeky.”

    Now you’re confusing me.

    “So too sum it up for you, I know that you know Indy 4 is more anticipated.”

    Not according to well over 100 voters in the last poll.

    Glad you got all that out of your system, though.

  • 9 5-13-2008 at 9:20 am

    Proman said...

    “Not at all, really, Though I have been vocal about my apprehensions concerning this project. Nothing wrong with that.”

    There’s nothing wrong with that. I just wish you’d back them up a little with something other than a “sheer gut feeling”. You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

    Here’s what you wrote (I admit I rememebered it slightly differently but the sentiment is the same):
    “I honestly, truly, 100% think that “Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull” is going to be a turd, a stinker…an afterthought. Do I base this on anything other than sheer gut feeling? Nope”

    “But I thought — as I stated in another post — that it might be interesting to gauge readers’ excitement versus their potential dread. Given that, as of now, 39% of those who have voted answered “No” to the question in the poll, I see I’m not totally out to pasture here.”

    Right, and you don’t think that the way you phrased your question “Was it a good idea…” and responses “No! George Lucas won’t stop raping my childhood!” had anything to do with it? It wasn’t a fair poll and I didn’t even want to dignify it with a vote. It’s the implication behind the poll that was dissapointing. I just thought the way it was designed was rather “cheap” so I’m pointing it out.

    Also, to put it bluntly, your non-random sample size is too small to draw any sorts of meaningful conclusions. I honestly thought that you were aware with Fandango’s service and tracking information for this movie but if you are saying that you don’t know what I’m talking about than I guess you don’t.

    In any case, Kris, I really don’t want to come off as confronational. I’ve enjoyed the site for years and all that. Besides, we’ll start getting official reviews in less than a week (and then of course we’ll have a chance to see it for ourselves). We’ll see how it really is.

  • 10 5-13-2008 at 9:36 am

    Kristopher Tapley said...

    “I honestly, truly, 100% think that “Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull” is going to be a turd, a stinker…an afterthought. Do I base this on anything other than sheer gut feeling? Nope”

    That is not what I wrote in the slightest. So you if want to argue words you are putting into my mouth, this just isn’t a conversation, Proman.

    As for the poll, it is purposefully cheeky with two rather extreme answers. A big yes, and a gigantic no. It’s fair.

    I’m not comparing a small poll to Fandango. Truth be told, I’m sure most of the filmmaking community is anticipating Indy than it is Batman. That’s the nature of a decade’s worth of films and a beloved character coming back to the screen. At the same time, however, much of Indy’s fandom is in the 80s, unlike the new wave of Bat fans as a result of the new franchise. Just saying, not drawing any real conclusions.

    If you can’t take a simply throwaway poll for what it is…a way to pass the time…I don’t know what to tell you. Other than to chill out.

    Bottom line, I really want Indy to rock. I’ve stated once already that I believe the original three films to comprise the greatest of screen trilogies. I don’t want that messed up. So here’s hoping.

  • 11 5-13-2008 at 10:05 am

    Proman said...

    ““I honestly, truly, 100% think that “Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull” is going to be a turd, a stinker…an afterthought. Do I base this on anything other than sheer gut feeling? Nope”

    That is not what I wrote in the slightest. So you if want to argue words you are putting into my mouth, this just isn’t a conversation, Proman.”

    Now, I’m confused. This was a quote from here:
    http://www.incontention.com/?p=159

    I may not have copied the entire posting (for space reasons) but that’s what’s written there. And the posting is credited to your name. I assure you, I wasn’t trying to put any words in your mouth.

    “If you can’t take a simply throwaway poll for what it is…a way to pass the time…I don’t know what to tell you. Other than to chill out.

    Bottom line, I really want Indy to rock. I’ve stated once already that I believe the original three films to comprise the greatest of screen trilogies. I don’t want that messed up. So here’s hoping.”

    Fair enough. For my part I want TDK to rock too. I hope we have a really great summer with a lot of pleasant suprises. Cheers.

  • 12 5-13-2008 at 10:36 am

    Kristopher Tapley said...

    Woah. This is either one of those senior moments or one of those instances where a month of going back and forth in my mind on a film catches up to me and I don’t remember what I’m committing to print.

    So I owe you a big apology on that one. Yes. I DID say that. Wow — it’s been so long since that post that I must have completely forgotten it. Embarrassing actually, but it happens.

    Anyway, sorry about that. Thought you were quoting me from the current discussion. But looking back at that post, it is certainly representative of the extreme side of my apprehension. I can’t argue with that. But unlike some writers out there (and despite the opinion some hold of me), I am not beholden to my expectations of a film. I’m fully capable of being blown away by an effort I dread, as much as I am capable of being dreadfully disappointed by a film I anticipate. That’s the point I want to make clear.

    And again, so sorry about that.

  • 13 5-13-2008 at 11:39 am

    Kadabr said...

    No problem, Kris :) . I completely understand. Similar things happened to me before.
    That’s a great thing about being actively involved with something – our views are constantly changing, especially in the wake of new information. That’s a good thing too because it shows that we are flexible.

    ….And I can’t even begin to tell you how many times I’ve looked at somethign I wrote or posted earlier, and didn’t recognize my own writing style (to say nothing of the content).

    I now see that you are a lot more fair than I thought. I guess I was too extreme too and for that I also appologize.

  • 14 5-13-2008 at 11:43 am

    Proman said...

    Sorry, I posted this from a different computer and for some reason I had different login info. Just to be clear, Kadabr = Proman.